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Shore Lion
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Re: Politics

Postby Shore Lion » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:24 pm

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Re: Politics

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:50 pm

Nat@PSU wrote: For example, a golf course in NJ that Trump valued at $50Mil on his financial disclosure forms is valued at $15 Mill by the local government for tax purposes. The Trump organization is suing them saying the property is only worth $1.85 Million. A fraud and a grifter through and through.

I, obviously, disagree with llama's assessment of much of Trump's policy decisions. I think that many of these decisions will have long standing consequences for a wide swath of America. Trump hasn't drained the swamp. He is the swamp.


If this is accurate, it once again speaks to the arrogance and the hubris of our grifter-in-chief. He values a golf course at an inflated $50m but wants it to be taxed at $1.85m? Forbes has often called trump out on his self-evaluated personal wealth estimate of $10b, stating it is closer to $3.5b and implying that he does so because he wants to make Forbes magazine's list of wealthiest Americans. What Nat said.
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:06 pm

I'm not arguing DT is a good guy and never have - he is the same guy as all the other politicians before him - only without phony glad handing and posturing. Your professional politicians are the girl you picked up at 2AM after 12 hours of drinking - DT is the one you woke up with. It's the same girl just the make up and your beer goggles are gone.

My guess is he learned a lot about being corrupt by having to deal with government agencies and politicians as he developed businesses. I have less than no doubt he bribed politicians to get things done.

So if what DT does is so loathsome that he should be removed from office why hasn't this fervor been present for the last 25 years? Because the other guys are so polite?
Again in the zeal to remove DT from office many of his detractors have been caught for the exact same thing they are claiming should be grounds for removing him from office..

Is DT just as big a hypocrite - sure. Did he think this whole POTUS thing through - nope - he knows what he did and he should have known that the mainstream politicians / media would be gunning for him for four years.

I understand people want him out with every fiber of their being - but if you go this hard after DT then be prepared when your guy gets in and the people who voted for DT want to see you go just as hard at your guy.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:36 pm

I agree with you that some of the focus on him has been lacking on some past presidents. I've said several times in this forum that the one great advantage of President Trump is that focus - from the public and from the press. If Hillary had won it would have been a whole lot of business-as-usual. Whatever shenanigans she did thru the Clinton Foundation likely would have continued and, while I'm sure it would not have gone without scrutiny or some commentary from the mainstream press, there is absolutely no chance it would have been consistently front and center the way the Trump stuff has been. There is no doubt there is a double standard in play here. That doesn't mean I think he doesn't deserve the coverage and the negative press, but it does mean I wish the press had been this diligent and passionate for the past 2 freaking decades. There has been plenty done since the 2000 election that should have sent people marching into the streets but Obama was largely immune to this (although the Occupy Wall Street movement did happen on his watch).

So, if your point is that the 24/7 of the President and porn star is beyond ridiculous - I agree. Until and unless someone can show that some federal law (like campaign finance laws) were broken (and that may be coming soon), it's between him and his wife. I do think that reporting that the President had slept around is relevant in that it goes to his moral character, but I think we've gotten the point that he's an immoral person and the coverage has gotten ridiculous.

But, if you're point is that the whole warrant and potential criminal investigation against his lawyer, and potential him, is because people don't like him - that is where I disagree. That I think is a serious problem, and I don't think any president would be able to shrug that off. The problem is there has been so much bullshit on him that it's tough for people to even register with this. It's just one more story in an endless barrage of stories about how awful he is. The press has actually screwed themselves here, because here is a story the public should really be paying attention to. This has implications that a sitting president may be involved in federal crimes and at least his lawyer may be indicted. That is certainly something the public needs to know and should care about. But, it is almost impossible to take any of it seriously because of the fatigue factor.

He may blast the press about their constant going at him, but I think they have done him a favor. It's become the "boy who cries wolf" syndrome. Now that the wolf may actually be lurking, no one believes it.

btw, side note - when my oldest son was in 1st grade he had to read a very short version of the parable "The Boy who Cried Wolf" and then answer some questions for homework. I helped him with it. There were 3 or 4 questions. The last question was "what is the lesson from this story?". Without missing a beat my son said (I will never forget this) "If you're going to lie, only lie once". That's my boy!
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:11 pm

I would say there is a 1000% certainty that DT has broken the law in his past in regards to financial dealings - and given how complicated contracts / taxes can be I'd bet that a whole lot of very wealthy people have knowingly broken the law, played on it's edges or unknowingly broke the law. As relatively simple as this group's taxes are several of us ran into mix ups - I guarantee people / companies dealing with much more dollars and complication make mistakes every year.

DT is not a23yr old instant millionaire who just came into the public awareness. Whatever he's been doing he's been doing for years. And you can say it makes more sense for him to be receiving more scrutiny because he is POTUS. But the guy you see now is the guy he has been for decades - so why has he avoided such heavy scrutiny until now? Probably because he wasn't pissing off the wrong people and possibly greasing the right people.

My friends in the investment community were leery of DT in primaries / lead up to election because he was deemed unpredictable by Wall Street - while Hillary was considered predictable (because she was bought and paid for). Not many politicians take the scorched earth approach of DT - even when they are in trouble because they don't want to make enemies - there is a reason John Cougar Mellencamp sang "I fight authority, authority always wins" - and career politicians understand that. A lifetime of being a wealthy autocrat in a self owned business confused DT as what authority really is. He's getting a lesson. And if his ego wasn't so big he should have seen it coming.

Best thing that can happen for The Rs is if he gets driven from office over Emmert every politician does - that will make him a martyr to the people who view him as the "outsider" who challenged the beltway.
Unless a 70 year old man with the impulse control and attention span of a 5 year old can get it together and start focusing on policy instead of personal fights he's got a long couple years ahead of him.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:30 pm

DT is not a23yr old instant millionaire who just came into the public awareness. Whatever he's been doing he's been doing for years. And you can say it makes more sense for him to be receiving more scrutiny because he is POTUS. But the guy you see now is the guy he has been for decades - so why has he avoided such heavy scrutiny until now? Probably because he wasn't pissing off the wrong people and possibly greasing the right people.

No, it's because previously he wasn't President of the United States. His previous roles as a real estate developer and reality TV show star had minimal impact on the lives of the American public. And, given how inconsequential he was, he actually received a ridiculous amount of scrutiny and attention. Nothing like he has now, obviously, but a lot of a business man. But, now his random thoughts and infantile tirades have the potential to impact 300 million people. So, yes, that is going to warrant you a tad more scrutiny. It's not because he is now pissing off the wrong people. It's because he is the holder of the most powerful office on the freaking planet.

Seriously, you can't think this is just because he's a douchebag. He's the president. He can't just be ignored and dismissed. His actions have real consequences to the country as a whole.
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Re: Politics

Postby psu_dad » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:42 pm

But, now his random thoughts and infantile tirades have the potential to impact 300 million people. So, yes, that is going to warrant you a tad more scrutiny. It's not because he is now pissing off the wrong people. It's because he is the holder of the most powerful office on the freaking planet.

Do you really believe that if Trump had closed his Twitter account the day he was elected and limited his public utterances to only an occasional benign press conference, that he would be receiving the exact same treatment from the MSM and DC establishment as Hillary would have?
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:14 pm

That can't be answered accurately as Hillary didn't win and Trump didn't close his Twitter account.

It is possibility the liberal media would be easier on her had she won. It is also possible that they would be easier on him if he put his damn phone away and focused on his job rather than these petty fights with everyone who looks at him sideways. Don't forget that that same liberal media effectively made him the TOP nominee by covering his every word during the primaries.

Unless you are hiding a time machine in Shady Acres Apple orchard, we will never know what might have been. It if it is better or worse.

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:16 pm

What Lion said. It's a counter factual but I think if he had been capable of showing some level of humility and respect for the office things would have gone a little better for him. Part of the problem is he keeps feeding them. If he could just STFU the well would run dry.

Things like attacking Stormy Daniels is beneath the office he holds. If it's not true, if this whole thing is made up, why are you reacting to her? A lot of this is his own fault. But, regardless of that, the point is that he's not some TV personality any more. He's the president. And, with that comes scrutiny. You know the saying about the heat in the kitchen, I'm sure.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:47 pm

Shit, my wife usually tells me to FTFO of the kitchen and I can stand the heat! Another adage comes to mind... If you are innocent, act like it. (Or however that goes)