2019 NFL Season

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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:40 am

In terms of any actions the NFL might take the absence of human trafficking makes a big difference. And now both the police and media look a bit ridiculous in the lengths they went to make a such a fuss over a lonely old widower paying for sex. As people pointed out - if this isn't Robert Kraft nobody gives a damn and the people involved walk away with a misdemeanor / fine.

There's better ways to use police resources. As far as "sports journalists" - there's more productive ways to make a living.
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby PSUgrower » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:50 am

Okay, so maybe this place wasn't trafficking humans but these shady shops traffic humans. Again, the prosecutors realized they will not get human trafficking convictions so they didn't want to charge anyone for that crime.

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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:53 am

In terms of any actions the NFL might take the absence of human trafficking makes a big difference.

I'm not so sure about that. Kraft was never accused of having anything to do with human trafficking. It could have turned out that these girls were kidnapped from their homes, drugged, brought to the US hidden away in luggage, and, unless someone can point to a reason Kraft would have any inkling about any of that, I think at the end of the day all he gets charged with is solicititation. And, all the NFL can really deal with is the facts of what he did.

I think the issue for Kraft is any plea or guilty verdict is going to require a response from the NFL. Forget the narrative of the NFL hating the Patriots (which I think is ridiculous). You can't continue to come down on the players, make all this noise about how you take issues around violence or exploitation of women seriously, and let an NFL owner just walk away for soliciting a prostitute. I don't think he gets more than a fine and a couple of games suspension from the NFL, but they are gonig to have to do something. If they don't, they are opening themselves up to some serious challenges from the union, and a lot of media and public backlash, the next time they try to discipline a player with their kangaroo court justice system.

Kraft has been pretty stupid about this whole thing, in my view. He should pled it out for a fine, taken it out of the news cycle, issued the standard apology about how he never meant to hurt or offend anyone, and just taken his fine and 2 game suspension and been done with it. And, it would have been pretty much over. Instead, he's fed the sports media what they love most - saliciousness. Again, it didn't take a genius to see all this coming. And, he could have avoided all of it by making better decisions. Oh well.
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:59 pm

The lack of human trafficking makes a significant difference - like the Feds don't get involved and people don't face felony charges and prison sentences that make them likely to testify against other people. It also takes a large part of the ugly out of the story. Mutually consenting prostitution is legal in Nevada (and in many parts of the world) and is viewed much differently than forced prostitution.

The NFL is still going to punish him because of the optics but I doubt it will be heavy handed.

The guy is in his 70s, widowed - good for him that he still has a functioning tallywhacker and the desire to get it some exercise. What's he supposed to do? Date other 78 year old women? If he starts hanging out with a girls 25 -40 years younger than himself he's going to be mocked. Not like he has tons of options. Assuming both parties were consenting ain't any of my business - we've have legal gambling everywhere, legal pot expanding - might as well legalize the oldest profession.
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:04 pm

sameoldlama wrote:There's better ways to use police resources. As far as "sports journalists" - there's more productive ways to make a living.


Perhaps, but this story with all of its juicy components is catnip to reporters. You've got a likeable, elderly team owner in Robert Kraft, fresh from a Superbowl victory, a massage parlor and said owner's happy ending caught on video. That, my friends, equals big tv ratings and internet gold. Despite the obvious sports connections, this type of story quickly moves out of the sports page and becomes news. Btw, sports reporters hate it when news reporters usurp their stories. Bottom line......this slimy story, like it or not, gains traction and resonates because it titillates, and people are drawn to it like stink on a monkey.
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby ShoreLion » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:22 pm

I just really like that after all the years on this site (over 20 I think) I've finally seen someone use "tallywhacker" in a thread. :D

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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:56 pm

ShoreLion wrote:I just really like that after all the years on this site (over 20 I think) I've finally seen someone use "tallywhacker" in a thread. :D


An homage to the old classic Porky's. good thing Kraft didn't draw Buelah Balbricker as his masseuse :o

For you trivia buffs after directing Porky's II - Bob Clark's next film was a "A Christmas Story". Talk about a non-sequitur.
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:16 pm

The lack of human trafficking makes a significant difference - like the Feds don't get involved and people don't face felony charges and prison sentences that make them likely to testify against other people.

But, none of that impacted Kraft to begin with. I suppose that if the people who ran the parlor were charged with human sex trafficking the stink of that would taint Kraft in the court of public opinion, but the US Justice Department wasn't going after him. No one else was going after him. All he has ever been accused of is solicitation.

Regarding the comment about it being legal in some places and not legal in others - than go somewhere it is legal. Or, hire an escort and pay for privacy and discretion. There is some reason he decided to go this route. And, he had to have known he was taking some risks. Maybe that is what turned him on. Maybe he has some other prediliction. I don't really care (and I will be happy if I can live the rest of my life without knowing the "why") but I really don't feel the least bit bad for him. This was completely avoidable. The situation he is in is entirely down to him. It's not the media's fault he did something really stupid.

Btw, I, too, am thrilled that after 20 years on this forum (holy cow, has it really been 20 years?! :o ) we see a Porkey's reference and the use of the word "tallywacker".
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby psu_dad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:23 pm

I really don't feel the least bit bad for him.

That's coming through loud & clear. :lol:
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Re: 2019 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:45 am

NFL draft kicks off tonight. Amazing how last year's draft couldn't get here quickly enough and this year I had no idea it was this weekend until I saw it on the ESPN crawl while I was at the gym this morning.

What will the Giants do? Will Arizona trade Rosen and then take Kyler Murray? Will anyone care if they do as we all know the Cardinals are going to suck regardless? Will the Raiders ever have competent ownership? And, does anyone care?

This year's draft is a major letdown for me as there is no big PSU guy in the first round mix. And, I am convinced the Giants are going to do something that locks then into Manning for another year or two. We'll see. I'll probably track it on my phone but I have little intention of watching.
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