Random Thoughts Again

psu_dad
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:10 pm

I knew I wasn't supposed to eat at Chick-fil-A, but I didn't know I'm not supposed to drink Starbucks coffee now. I had a Starbucks French Roast this morning. Two, actually. Am I fired now? How does this work?
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby Blue&White » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:24 pm

You may not be fired but you're certainly condemned.

The whole thing is ridiculous. What happened was wrong and appears to be based on race. Starbucks has owned that. They have admitted fault, apologized and are taking actions. They also have a proven track record of standing up for minority rights and treat their employees very fairly.

What else do people want from them?
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:31 pm

A "donation" to some community action group, if I had to guess. Starbucks made the fatal mistake of groveling for forgiveness. That doesn't pacify protesters. It encourages them.

What about a Yoo-Hoo? Can I have one of those?
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby PSUgrower » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:50 pm

Blue&White wrote:You may not be fired but you're certainly condemned.

The whole thing is ridiculous. What happened was wrong and appears to be based on race. Starbucks has owned that. They have admitted fault, apologized and are taking actions. They also have a proven track record of standing up for minority rights and treat their employees very fairly.

What else do people want from them?

Hell is freezing over. I completely agree with you!

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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby Blue&White » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:29 pm

What about a Yoo-Hoo? Can I have one of those?

You'll get nothing and like it!
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:47 pm

I know one thing. If someone tosses a Yoo-Hoo bottle onto my lawn, I'm not putting it in the recycle bin. I' learned my lesson with the Nutty Bars box.
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:07 pm

Per the Starbucks incident - Starbucks has a policy - like many businesses - that restrooms are for customer use only and loitering is prohibited - and in an inner city for good reason - they don't want homeless people or drug addicts using their facilities as bathhouses, shooting galleries, drug sales and general hang outs. So at issue was how the policy is executed.

The persons arrested indicated they were waiting for another party before ordering - so how long had them been waiting and how much longer were they going hang out without ordering? In other words - did the Starbucks personnel have a reasonable premise - based on their no loitering policy to request the men either order something or leave. Did they come in, use restroom and then hang out for 30 minutes or were they there for 5 minutes.

The second aspect would be - does Starbucks uniformly enforce this policy - this is being portrayed as a racial incident - how does anyone know Starbucks hasn't requested people of all races to either purchase something or vacate the premises? So unless the complaintants can prove the action was racially motivated Starbucks was completely within their rights to request they leave the store and when they refused to call police and file a trespassing complaint. The police - again barring any overt proof the men were asked to leave because of their race - are legally obligated to respond to the complaint and request they leave the premise - and if they refuse to do so - arrest them.

Two aspects I find interesting are - the Starbucks CEO promised "a full investigation" but immediately dropped the trespassing complaint and issued an apology to the men - shouldn't any decision on charges / apologies be made AFTER the investigation? He has pre-judged his staff and told his entire organization - in matters of public PC I will be immediately throwing you under the bus.
The second is everyone assumes the issue is racially motivated - I've witnessed businesses - again especially in large cities that enforce a "restrooms for customers only / no loitering policy". And it has involved people of all races - the things I could tell you people do at the casino near my place - my Lord. I live and work in Podunk little towns and have read stories of people ODing in bathrooms of Wawas / Quik Cheks - these businesses have these policies for good reason

So Starbucks - you have a policy - did you train your manager to that policy and did they properly execute it?
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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby PSUgrower » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm

I was thinking the exact same thing Lama. There is way more to the story then 2 black guys get kicked out of Starbucks because they are black. The MSM took and ran... go figure

Edit. I did a little more research. A little more into what happened:
http://6abc.com/what-a-witness-says-happened-during-phila-starbucks-arrests/3342444/
Seems a little shady if you ask me

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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:25 pm

... how does anyone know Starbucks hasn't requested people of all races to either purchase something or vacate the premises?

Well, if they did, they can kiss that policy goodbye now. I'm going into one tomorrow morning with a laptop and a thermos of coffee and stealing a couple hours of bandwidth from their WiFi. I may even use their bathroom to do a couple of "lines".

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Re: Random Thoughts Again

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:15 pm

PSUgrower wrote:I was thinking the exact same thing Lama. There is way more to the story then 2 black guys get kicked out of Starbucks because they are black. The MSM took and ran... go figure

Edit. I did a little more research. A little more into what happened:
http://6abc.com/what-a-witness-says-happened-during-phila-starbucks-arrests/3342444/
Seems a little shady if you ask me


If multiple witnesses corroborate that account Starbucks and the Philly police have a problem. And these three men have a line of lawyers outside their door.
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