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LioninVa
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:35 am

As far as policy goes, I agree with you. I doubt any president could accomplish anything of substance with the disfunctional state Congress is in.

The hatred from the media is, while not in much doubt, a different thing. Obviously, he is treated differently than previous presidents. (Not just Obama, by the way) I can’t say for sure if it is because he blatantly and obnoxiously attacks them or because he has told; himself or via press secretaries; totally outlandish things as if it was fact. Maybe it’s a combination of both?

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Re: Politics

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:31 am

Blue&White wrote:I think a lot of the outrage over him is over the top hyperbole. The majority of what he does is no different than any Republican president would have done and most Democrats.


No different? I disagree. As a matter of policy, he is blatantly and actively anti-environment, anti-science, flirts frequently with white nationalists/supremacists and sides consistently with policies and ideas that harm the very people who voted for him. His policies don't just favor the wealthy, they slant the table to them at a 90 degree angle. I don't doubt that, with the exception of fox news, most mainstream reporters despise him, but you must admit that the daily...no...hourly lies and half-truths uttered by this president and his spokespersons provides a treasure trove of never-ending material for the media to report, most of which casts him in an unfavorable light. All previous presidents have sparred with the media, but none to my knowledge have consistently labeled the free press "enemies of the people" and described them as sick and dishonest. Those labels more aptly describe this president. So yes, I agree that the mainstream media would report with glee the fall of this president, but I hardly believe most of the reporting is hyperbolic and over the top. On the contrary not reporting on this real time disaster of a presidency would be dishonest and a disservice those who don't get their news from fox.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:08 pm

No different? I disagree. As a matter of policy, he is blatantly and actively anti-environment, anti-science, flirts frequently with white nationalists/supremacists and sides consistently with policies and ideas that harm the very people who voted for him.

He is no more anti-science or anti-environment than any of the other Republican candidates who ran for office. And, while Hillary would have said things that sounded better to you and me on those topics, I am not convinced her actual policies would have been all that dissimilar. She wouldn't probably wouldn't have rolled back the Obama era regulations that Trump rolled back, but beyond that I doubt she would do anything for the environment. So she would have kept us in the Paris Accords. So what? There is almost no obligation from that treaty to do anything at all and I doubt she would have taken the steps to do it. As for policies that will harm the people who voted for him, you think they would be any better at all under her? I don't.

I think Trump is making a massive mistake with these tariffs and I think he's going to seriously hurt the people who believed in him the most. But, I do not believe he is doing this to hurt them. He may be too stupid to realize the potential impacts of his actions (or maybe the rest of us are too stupid to see the brilliance of it -- time will tell) but I think he's trying to protect American working class jobs. I think it's the way wrong approach, but I think that is the goal. Hillary would have thrown these people to the wolves. Just like Obama did. Just like Bush did.

As for the hysteria - yes, he's a liar. He lies constantly. Even when it is probably easier to tell the truth. But, is he really that much less of a liar than she is? He is certainly more obnoxious than she is. I don't know but I don't think we are dramatically worse off in most areas because he won and she lost. I think things with her would have sucked about as badly. What sucked would have been different, but I think there would have been much suckiness. It's a counter-factual and impossible to really know, but that's my sense.

Two things I will grant you, though - first, his cozying up with white supremacists last year was disgusting. She would never had done anything close to that. And, I can't get over how incredibly corrupt he and his administration are. The people who were screaming about the conflicts with the Clinton Foundation and the seeming "pay to play" scheme she was running have been largely quiet about Trump and his business interests being seriously intertwined with his presidency. And, that's before you get to his cabinet. Trump and his cronies are making Bill and Hillary look ethical, and that's not easy to do.
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Re: Politics

Postby psudelco » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:36 pm

Well apparently Mr.Cohen has tapes of conversations with Trump regarding payments to former playmate Kara Mcdougald and speculation is he has more tapes of private conversations with him. Not sure where this leads or what impact but more fodder

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:47 pm

I saw that.

I really don't care what porn star he may have banged. Or what woman he paid to go away. It's his money and his affairs are between him and the Mrs. But, man, this will be some great entertainment. Especially the part where all the "family values" people line up to defend him. Again.

Btw, if he violated campaign finance laws, he may have a problem.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:59 pm

I don’t care about his personal life and who or what he schtupped. I do care about all the freaking lies he has told about these alleged affairs, along with just about everything else. There is no longer a reason to believe a word he says and that brings discredit on the office and the Nation.

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:54 pm

There is no longer a reason to believe a word he says and that brings discredit on the office and the Nation.

Wait. The president lying about affairs discredits the office? Is that new?
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:11 pm

That's a fair statement, but not exactly what I meant. The reality is that this particular President has told well over three thousand lies just since talk h office. The ones about women who have accused of alleged sexual !misconduct or whatever are but a few on the massive list. He is a psychological liar in my opinion. It is o e thing to exaggerate a claim, another one entirely to make false claims.

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:24 pm

Trump is a pathological liar, no doubt. He seems pathological about a whole lot of things. He is an absolutely awful person and I can't believe there are people who defend his character. But, he's not unique. Is he more of a liar than any of his predecessors when it comes to things that actually matter? I doubt it.

I sort of look at it this way: Ronadl Reagan oversaw the illegal running of guns to basically death squads in the Nicaruagua, and allowed the importation of cocain into the US to pay for illegal activities against Iran. George H Bush is a former director of the CIA who was most likely invovled in the Iran Contra fiasco and who knows what else when he was a full time spook. Bill Clinton, at minimum, committed perjury. And, he also oversaw the bombings in Bosnia on bullshit circumstances. George W. Bush oversaw an illegal war on false pretenses - something we hung the leaderhip of the Nazis for TYVM. Obama killed an American citizen without due process and was invovled in the overthrow of Libya using military capability without Congressonal approval. And, both he and Bush spied on the American public.

I think Trump sucks, but I'm not the least bit worried about him demaning the office. Or lying about banging a porn star. When people start dying because of his policies I'll start to worry more.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:36 pm

I agree with you comments regarding previous presidents and you make a solid point. I maintain that Trump, while arguably not worse at this point, has know idea what he is doing and I would prefer that it not get to the poi t that lives are at risk. Maybe I am overstating things, maybe not.