Politics

Crowbar
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Re: Politics

Postby Crowbar » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:59 am

Dems take the House. But last night was hardly a "blue wave."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... -election/
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sameoldlama
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:17 am

It certainly was a strange election day - in my area GOP won most of state races but lost Gov., Senate, House races. I was travelling about 50% of time last couple months so I may have missed some things but it was like you barely even knew there was a Senate and Gov race in PA - I didn't see anything about candidates stumping locally or anything about any debates and there were minimal commercials (I saw tons of commercials for the Menedez / Hugin race and Fitzpatrick / Wallace race).

Come dusk it was very dark in my area with a misting rain a fog. I commend people who went out in it - visibility was very poor. On a sad note in the AM an elderly woman was hit by a car driven by another elderly woman and killed. I suspect the heavy rains in AM may have contributed to driver / pedestrian not seeing each other but that's messed up.

Anyway get ready for 2 years of investigations and gridlock. IMO the Ds would be better off just cutting off Trump's policy initiatives - if you push him out office or take him to point he can't win a primary then the Rs might run someone who isn't the second most unlikable person in the USA. Assuming they don't make the mistake of running the most unlikable person in USA I'd think they'd have a decent shot at taking POTUS.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:52 pm

So, who had Sessions getting fired the day after the midterms? I was betting this Friday or Saturday!

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:59 pm

Anyway get ready for 2 years of investigations and gridlock

I'm indifferent to the investigations but bring on the gridlock!
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:40 am

If you think Hillary felt bad after losing a close election to DT two years ago I wonder how it feels to be the person who lost to a brothel owner who died a couple months ago - and by a landslide.

I'm sure they won't be able to help themselves but I don't think endless investigations is the way to go for Ds - I think they should look at clawing back some of the tax rate reductions (say for income over $250K for households and $150K for individuals). Leave them in place for middle class. The other aspect would be a focus on healthcare - primarily the thing neither party ever addresses - and that is cost drivers. We always argue about paying for it but never why it costs so much. IMO those are winners for Ds. They should also hammer on Rs for not addressing the deficit - something more tangible than DT's "every department cut 5-10%".

I think DT fired sessions because he wants an aggressive AG who will go tit for tat if the Ds introduce investigations. So I'm expecting 2 years of bickering because the Ds will forever seek revenge on DT for taking down their Queen and DT is the most reactionary human imaginable. And the thing is - I'm sure DT has a boatload of crap in past but so do Hillary and some folks in the former DOJ. Both these sides are willing to burn down their own house to get at the other.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:41 am

If you think Hillary felt bad after losing a close election to DT two years ago I wonder how it feels to be the person who lost to a brothel owner who died a couple months ago - and by a landslide.

It's not the first time a dead person has won an electeion but I think it is the first time a dead evangelical christian brothel owner has won an election. My guess is voters just wanted to perserve the seat for a Republican replacement that can now be named. If anything, his death may have made voting for him even more palatable for some people.

I'm sure they won't be able to help themselves but I don't think endless investigations is the way to go for Ds

Agree on both counts. McConnell made the point that the Republicans did that to Clinton and it really backfired on them. I think he's a self serving snake but he's not wrong on that point. The issue here is - do you really think you are gonig to find something? If not, if you are not sure somethign is going to come of it - and it better be something substantive and not some bullshit - then investigating Trump is just going to look petty and ridiculous and turn off a lot of independent voters. If you can find something real, something that shows actual criminal activity (and, seriously, how likely is it that there is no actual criminal activity to find?), then it may work. But, you better be damn sure you are going to get him if you go after him.

The Russian investigation has been a fiasco for the Democrats in my opinion. After all these screams of "collusion!" and "treason!" no one has shown any evidence that anything like that has happened. Sure, there was a bunch of illegal stuff that went on but much of it had little to do with Trump (Manafort as an example) and the stuff that did has not come close to what was alleged. So he paid off a porn star to shut her up and may have misused campaign funds do it. Is it a crime? Sure, if it happened. Is it any kind of real scandal? Not even close. Did anyone think that Trump didn't pay off a porn star to pay her off?

This is a bad direction for the Dems unless they can really get him. And, I bet they can't.
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:00 pm

Why would they want to? With DT gone they lose their bogeyman and number #1 source of fundraising. With him gone they might actually have to do something besides being outraged and its likely he would be replaced by someone far less odious which doesn't help them in 2020.

Heck if the prophets Zager and Evans are to be believed you guys might just want to join me and Dad at the Tiki Bar for some cold beverages before a night of lap dances for the next 7 years as it's 50/50 that the world might be coming to end.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:59 pm

This guy sure seems to be taking his election loss well. And, maturely.

Someone needs to remove this asshole from the bench prior to his term actually being up.
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Re: Politics

Postby hbendle » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:32 pm

Talk about taking things well... don't you wish politicians in opposition could follow his lead?
I don't know if I like all his views and policy, but I respect the hell out of his demeanor. And service record.

EDIT: crap, I double posted the same thing in the Random thread, sorry Crowbar.

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Re: Politics

Postby Crowbar » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:57 pm

No worries. Not hurting my feelings any.
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