Politics

Blue&White
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:41 pm

Barbara Bush is ill and is no longer seeking medical treatment and is being switched to "comfort care". That sounds like hospice care to me. She's 92 and I suspect she's in the final weeks of her life. She always struck me as a very gracious woman. Everything I've ever read about her has been positive and focused on how kind she was. I heard a news report on the radio a short while ago about how Chelsea Clinton released a statement about how sweet she was to her when she was a child and was moving into the White House and how all the staff talked about what a nice person she was.

I guess inevitably hits us all at some point. Shame.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:25 pm

One reality is that nobody gets out alive. I agree that the plan does sound like hospice care.

I met Mrs. Bush the night before the USA George H.W. Bush was commissioned. I don't know her but stood next to me and exchanged pleasantries. She struck me as a very nice woman.

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Re: Politics

Postby PSUgrower » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:29 pm

BTW- the Comey interview is fantastic. I have said this before, but I truly believe Comey and why he made the decisions he made. I truly think he was neutral in all of his decisions before and after the election. I think he made mistakes but I think they were honest mistakes (saying that the Clinton investigation was being reopened just before the election).

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Re: Politics

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:53 am

To my knowledge, we've never had a former FBI director write a "KIss & Tell" book before. I hope this isn't a new trend.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:24 am

I think this is a unique set of circumstances brought on by President Stable Genius.

I watched a few minutes of it but not all of it. My take on what I saw is that Comey comes off as believable and credible. Trump is a known liar and the things Comey says are completely consistent with both Trump's personality and what is known about him.

It doesn't matter, though. The people who care about this already didn't like Trump. And, the people who don't care aren't going to be swayed by someone they are already attacking. I didn't need to know Comey said Trump was "morally unfit" to be President and I'm not even sure what that phrase means. The last President had unmanned drones flying all over the middle east that fired rockets into crowds of women, children and innocent men. We bombed weddings. We bombed funerals. We bombed hospitals. But, because he didn't bang a porn star after his wife gave birth he's more moral? And, the President before that started an illegal war under false pretense that resulted in the deaths of over 5,000 American servicemen and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. But, he, too, didn't cheat on his wife so was he more moral? And the guy before that both bombed people AND cheated on his wife - not with a porn star but a 22 year old intern. So, what are the standards of morality required to be President?

Trump is scum, but he wears it on his sleeve. He doesn't pretend he's something he's not like many of his predecessors. I can't stand him but spare me the sanctity of saying he's morally unfit to serve in a role that has held nothing but liars and killers for 200 years.
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Re: Politics

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:58 am

So, what are the standards of morality required to be President?

Recruiter: Have you ever been convicted of a felony? That's robbery, rape, car theft, that sort of thing.
John Winger: Convicted? No.
Russell Ziskey: Never convicted.

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Seriously, I've become convinced that the amount of personal ambition required to become POTUS is so ridiculously over the top that it tends to attract borderline sociopaths who believe that normal societal and/or legal conventions for behavior shouldn't apply to someone as special as themselves. Trump is not unique in that regard, rather he is (as you indicated) just way more transparent about it.
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:30 am

Comey is a joke - he was in on the fix of the Clinton investigation - the late election cycle "re-opening" of investigation was simply cover - as Comey himself stated "he expected Clinton to win".

I've been saying what B&W said above for a long time - DT isn't doing anything that half his critics haven't been doing themselves - only he actually seems to see it as something to brag about (which I suspect comes from a lifetime of being very wealthy and having everyone around you dependent on you for a paycheck vs being dependent on you or watching your movie for you to fill your pockets).

In their utter hatred of DT I will say again - look at how his critics have been caught in their own hypocrisy and blown themselves up:

1. Critics of his sexual misconduct
> how many politicians had to resign over sexual misconduct allegation - how many of them used taxpayer funds to hush up victims? Do we see "special prosecutors" going after them?
> Hollywood nearly set itself on fire
2. Critics of his immigration policy
> California's coastal left wing apparently thought their core missions was opposing DT and supporting illegal immigrants above all else - they are now finding out many of their municipalities don't agree
3. Critics of his "fake news" bias claims
> McCabe, Comey, Strozck, Page - pretty clear evidence of partisanship - and I'm sure their are right leaning partisans in the DOJ too
> CNN caught on audio saying they are just running anti-DT stories for ratings - true or not isn't really that important
> media colluding with Clinton campaign on debates

DT is an obnoxious person and clearly more impulsive, thin skinned and prone to petty personal bickering with his opponents than you want in a POTUS. But he has been the a-hole who has managed to flush out much of the hypocrisy and ugliness in our political, celebrity, media culture that would have just picked up speed had Clinton been elected.
From a policy standpoint I am not that upset with anything he has done - in my estimation the only major objection I would have is "the wall" - I think cost wise, logistically and long term maintenance just are feasible - and there are policy methods (crack down on companies hiring illegals, stop extending social benefits, cut off funding to sanctuary cities) that would accomplish the goal.

In the end the machine will get him - he is easily provoked and the machine won't stop. I would still say just let DT be DT - back off and lull him into a false sense of security and he will do something stupid on his own. You don't need to bait him or try making minor transgressions seem like bigger crimes than the Clinton Crime Foundation.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:04 am

From a policy standpoint I am not that upset with anything he has done

Jeez, I am. I'm upset with a lot of what he's done. I don't know where to start. Maybe with
- a massive tax decrease for the rich and crumbs for the middle class while we add $1.5 TRILLION to the deficit
- rolling back regulations that allow coal companies to put sludge into rivers that feed public drinking water
- rolling back of consumer protection regulations that stop financial services companies from screwing their customers
- his total reversal on his foreign policy promises and bombing of Syria (as an aside - if the Syrians sent in a few people with AR15s to klll and maim the same number of people, what do you think the Trump reaction would be?)
- I think the tariffs was a moronic idea

I could go on. But, he's not vastly different than Bush, except Bush lied to get us into an illegal war and has the blood of probably a million people on his hands. Trump doesn't have that. He still may, but he doesn't right now.
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Re: Politics

Postby psu_dad » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:16 am

a massive tax decrease for the rich and crumbs for the middle class while we add $1.5 TRILLION to the deficit

I keep hearing that narrative, but most of the middle class guys I know who have done 2018 tax projections are waiting for April 15, 2019 as excited as a child waiting for Christmas. That doesn't mean I approve, BTW. This business of putting today's spending on the backs of tomorrow's taxpayers is a rank obscenity. But Trump clearly doesn't own that exclusively.
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Re: Politics

Postby PSUgrower » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:28 am

I loved how Comey said that the Russians might have some video of Trump with prostitutes who pee on each other.