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Blue&White
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:32 am

I can't, for the life of me, undertand why Guilliani continues to go on TV. The only impact he's having is destroying whatever is left of his credibility. But, other than that, no one cares. The people who like Trump aren't paying attention to this and it doesn't what stupidity comes out of Guilliani, they are not going to stop supporting him. The people who don't like Trump are paying attention and going crazy over comments like that, but all this does is reinforce why they hate him. But, no one is changing their opinion at this point. He can cure cancer, eliminate the deficit, and get the Israeli's and Palestinians to come to peace and the people who hate him will not give him an inch. Conversely, videos can surface that prove beyond any doubt that he was actually the guy who raped every single child in the Catholic Church scandal and hte people who like him wouldn't care.

So, what is the point of going on TV and making an ass out of yourself?
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:33 am

Remember when alt right Washington Post called for John Brennan to be fired for lying under oath to Congress - good times, man, good tmes. Pick your martyr carefully. There is zero public interest in Brennan retaining a security clearance - he is no different than the politician turned lobbyist trading on his contacts for personal gain.

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I can't figure out why Guiliani joined the circus either unless it's long term personal relationship, a debt owed or he's getting a lot of money and attention and these guys seem to like money and attention.

Trump's war with the media - one with a clear bias, animosity and agenda towards him leaves legitimate criticism for both Trump and the media - but I notice liberals weren't too upset when new liberal pretty girl Ocasio-Cortez banned the media from her public Town Hall - according to her the reason was the press may prevent attendees from freely speaking out - if DT uttered such nonsense their would be a tsunami of outrage. This woman makes me think DT and Sarah Palin had a kid who is rebelling against her parents.

And actually the book I see being played out - especially the role of progressive liberals, democratic socialists, identity politics and egalitarianism comes straight out of Atlas Shrugged.
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Re: Politics

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:42 am

I'll take a lot of money and attention for $500, Alex.
Yeah, well, that's like your opinion, man.

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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:18 am

but I notice liberals weren't too upset when new liberal pretty girl Ocasio-Cortez banned the media from her public Town Hall - according to her the reason was the press may prevent attendees from freely speaking out

I'm not sure what "weren't too upset" means, but she got a lot of negative press over excluding the press. It was mentioned all over the place. All the mainstream media covered it. Are you suggesting they werne't terse enough in their coverage of it? I mean, it happened, it was covered, and the attention was mostly negative. I'm not sure what else you want from the media in that instance.
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:25 am

PittGradPSUMad wrote:I'll take a lot of money and attention for $500, Alex.


That would be my guess - and as much the attention as the money - but I guess that's what a lifetime of being in the spotlight does to you - even if you can't spend the money you have to have it and you can't bear not to have people hearing what you have to say. Guess they get addicted to it.

Oddly I suspect most of us, who will have enjoyed a satisfactory level of career and monetary success will likely seek a more quiet and peaceful later time in life. I can't wait for the day I don't have conference code dial in numbers, passcodes, leader PINs memorized. I'm guessing B&W will burn his suits in a ritual ceremony on a street corner in NYC on July 4th when he retires.

For the rich and famous it's never enough - I can't wait to say "enough".

B&W - I think you know if DT pulled the same move as Ocasio-Cortez MSNBC and CNN would have a complete meltdown vs a mild finger wagging. I'd also say the Ds try and run someone as an independent - as I said this woman seems dumb statement machine. The Ds don't need to go to the extreme left to regain their national footing - but they seem to be pushing all their chips to the center of the table on identity politics and socialism.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:47 am

B&W - I think you know if DT pulled the same move as Ocasio-Cortez MSNBC and CNN would have a complete meltdown vs a mild finger wagging.

But that's not a fair comparrison. Donald Trump is President of the United States. This woman is running to be a congresswoman from one district within New York City. Of course they are not getting the same amount of attention. They shouldn't be getting the same amount of attention. They are not equivalents. She will be a junior member of Congress with very little say or power. He is the President. It's just not the same thing.


I'd also say the Ds try and run someone as an independent - as I said this woman seems dumb statement machine. The Ds don't need to go to the extreme left to regain their national footing - but they seem to be pushing all their chips to the center of the table on identity politics and socialism.

There was a primary, the Ds backed a candidate, and that candidate lost. And, he lost in a landslide. I mean, it wasn't even close. She got 58% of the vote. So, the idea that the Democrats can run an independent candidate against her and have a chance is just not based on reality. The mainstream Democratic party was massively rejected by that district. What kind of message does it send if they don't back the person who won their primary? They certainly have not embraced her, and Pelosi and company have tried to distance themselves from her, but they can't run someone against her and maintain any semblence of credibility. So, I don't get where you see the Democrats are putting any chips behind this woman.

As for socialism, we are already a socialist society. We all routinely chip in and provide money for the Defense industry, the Pharmaceutical industry, the Oil industry, and of course the Banking industry. And no one blinks. Throw out the idea of spending some of that money on actual citizens and OH MY GOD IT'S SOCIALISM!!! Spare me.
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:23 am

You may want to check out the turnout in the primary that Ocasio-Cortez won - she got 58% of barely anyone showing up because most of the voters figured the incumbent was a slam dunk - but kudos to her for outhustling a guy who took things for granted. that 58% doesn't mean crap.

And you may want to look into what Lizzy Warren and Bern Bern are proposing if you want to see how far they really want to take socialism. I don't agree that certain communal functions (defense, police, primary education) constitute socialism. I do agree that certain industries have unduly benefitted from influencing politicians (banking industry, pharma, energy) and our representatives failed in their role as regulatory agents to ensure a level playing field vs influencing outcomes.

Liz and Bernie aren't talking about simply redistributing income to expand social programs (entitlements) - they are talking about nationalizing private businesses (and don't think they aren't eyeing up taking control of your 401k too).

But hey you dig what you dig - but IMO identity politics and egalatarian politics only lead to one end - and that's an authoritarian government - and that never works out for the majority of the populace.
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Re: Politics

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:34 am

sameoldlama wrote:
PittGradPSUMad wrote:I'll take a lot of money and attention for $500, Alex.


That would be my guess - and as much the attention as the money - but I guess that's what a lifetime of being in the spotlight does to you - even if you can't spend the money you have to have it and you can't bear not to have people hearing what you have to say. Guess they get addicted to it.

Oddly I suspect most of us, who will have enjoyed a satisfactory level of career and monetary success will likely seek a more quiet and peaceful later time in life. I can't wait for the day I don't have conference code dial in numbers, passcodes, leader PINs memorized. I'm guessing B&W will burn his suits in a ritual ceremony on a street corner in NYC on July 4th when he retires.

For the rich and famous it's never enough - I can't wait to say "enough".

B&W - I think you know if DT pulled the same move as Ocasio-Cortez MSNBC and CNN would have a complete meltdown vs a mild finger wagging. I'd also say the Ds try and run someone as an independent - as I said this woman seems dumb statement machine. The Ds don't need to go to the extreme left to regain their national footing - but they seem to be pushing all their chips to the center of the table on identity politics and socialism.


Llama, you have no idea how happy you will be when that time in life arrives. I gave all but two of my business suits to Goodwill, kept one pair of dress shoes, and my eyes glaze over when I listen to people talk about conference code dial in numbers, passcodes, leader PINs memorized. My mind just wanders away. It takes awhile to disconnect from that world, but when you finally do, you'll wonder htf you ever survived the corporate world on a daily basis.
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Re: Politics

Postby Blue&White » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:01 pm

You may want to check out the turnout in the primary that Ocasio-Cortez won - she got 58% of barely anyone showing up because most of the voters figured the incumbent was a slam dunk - but kudos to her for outhustling a guy who took things for granted. that 58% doesn't mean crap.

Voter turnout for that primary was around 10%. What do you think normal voter turn out is for a congressonal primary? I don't know the answer to that, but I bet this was not abnormally low. Consider that back in 2016 the turn out for the primaries for both partis for President was a whopping 28.5% (per Pew Reseach Center) and that was considered abnormally high. Just shy of the record. This gives some of the history of turnout for Presidential primaries. So, I think the turnout for that primary last June was probably not that far off the mark of what you normally get. And, I've not seen anything that suggests there is serious buyers remourse about her.

I don't agree that certain communal functions (defense, police, primary education) constitute socialism.

I don't agree with that either. But, that our national defense should be paid for by everyone does not mean that our defense industry isn't benefiting from corporate welfare and socialism. Consider the graphic below:

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This is from 2013, so early in Obama's 2nd term. That disparity has gotten worse. Why do you think that is? I'll give you a hint - defense contractors operate in all 50 states. Both of those things are related. During the election Trump railed against the F-35 as a complete waste of money and a major rip off of the American tax payer. I completely agreed with him on that. It was one of the points that I think he was spot on about. Sadly, President Trump has kicked the views of candidate Trump to the curb, and he's completely bought in. But, that is corporate welfare at its finest. There is no need for us to spend the amount we do on defense. It gets dressed up in patriotic terms about making our military strong and supporting our troops and all this other bullshit. But, it's nothing more than a redistribution of wealth from middle class tax payers to defense contractors and their execs. There is no need for that much money to be spend on defense. And, there is even less reason for the lack of oversight and major rip offs we all continually endure.

And that is just one example.

As for Bernie and Warrern, other than health care and reducing a lot of the cost of higher education, I'm curious as to what industries they are trying to nationalize. Please provide some details with links where they have said this. I'd be interested to read it.
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Re: Politics

Postby LioninVa » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:56 pm

I am all for a strong defense, but as was mentioned with the fat cats above, at some point enough is enough. The interesting thing about Trump and fighter jets was his comment over the weekend. After NBC or CNBC reported that the military parade on Veterans Day was looking like it would cost over $90M rather than $12M as initially reported, the pentagon put it on hold. The next day, Trump said it was too expensive and was cancelling it, but added that this leaves more money for fighter jets. The math doesn't work...

Think of it this way: Penn State has a game coming up against Pitt. It's a prime time game, so I am having some guests over. I have a hundred bucks to spend on this party, so I get some burgers or dogs, a case or two of Yuengling or similar beer and some snackies. While I am walking around, I think I need a cooler to keep the brewskis cold. There is a nice Coleman 20 gal for $40 or so, but I want something better. I ask the guy to customize something like the Tommy Bahama ones raised up on a cart (so I don't have top bend over) but I want the logo to say "Shitt on Pitt" lettered like the Penn State endzone. His estimate is $200 and I decide it is too expensive (it is equally as useless, except for one day; but that is a different argument) so I don't buy it. I do not have an additional $200 to splurge on some good whiskey to celebrate the victory, do I? The money that we didn't have for the parade is still not there for jet fighters either...