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Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:17 pm
by Blue&White
Nat@PSU wrote:Respectfully, it included a laundry list of indictments and convictions, and seizing of assets (Manafort), almost enough to put all this in the black.


Yes, but you didn't need a special counsel assigned for any of that. Maybe you don't get Manafort and Flynn without the Mueller investigation and maybe you do. Who knows? But, this whole thing was predicated on the idea that Trump and his campaign actively worked with the Russians to influence a US presidential election. And, there were former high ranking officials of the intelligence services who were saying, repeatedly, that Trump had committed treason and was a Russian agent. And, all we came up with was he paid off a porn star and may have violated campaign finance laws.

You have to admit, that looks pretty pathetic. And, all the people who pushed this narrative - and mostly the press - look like a bunch of schmucks. Going forward it doesn't matter Trump does and how much evidence there is because over 50% of the country is not going to believe it. Absent an economic collapse, they basically handed him a 2nd term.

Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:49 pm
by Nat@PSU
So, he is the dissonance I have: if this report exonerates Trump completely, why are we only privy to a summary written by a hand picked AG (seemingly picked because of the memo he wrote pertaining to Trump's obstruction case). If it exonerates the whole admin, why not publish it?

The idea that "here is this report that fully explains how much of a witch hunt this was but you can't see it" doesn't really jive.

This tweet I read summarizes it well for me:

"Barr’s letter is a real inflection point for people who are exhausted with the story and want to move on and for people who are frustrated with it and want to turn the tables on their perceived enemies. It doesn’t do much for people who just want, at long last, to know the truth."

Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:08 pm
by Blue&White
Hey, I am completely in favor of releasing the thing. And, right now it's the Republicans keeping that from happening. If there is nothing to hide that should happen immediately.

We will see, I guess.

Re: Politics

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:30 pm
by Nat@PSU
Blue&White wrote:Hey, I am completely in favor of releasing the thing. And, right now it's the Republicans keeping that from happening. If there is nothing to hide that should happen immediately.

We will see, I guess.


Yeah, that's my only real point. I think the Dem house will likely subpoena it. We will see.

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:59 am
by Carl Spackler
Nat@PSU wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:Bdub, The Muller report only cost $40 mill? That is a bargain for two years of political hyperbole and media speculation, 99% erroneous. :( :shock: :o :? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Now where is the $%$^@$#^#@ sarcasm button?


Respectfully, it included a laundry list of indictments and convictions, and seizing of assets (Manafort), almost enough to put all this in the black.

Lets run another Bengazi investigation though. :roll:


Men dies at Bengazi, likely due to being left to do so on their own after numerous warnings. A bit different than faux collusion. In the end, I wish they would do less and more but who am I but a citizen?

Re: Politics

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:34 am
by LioninVa
This seems like apples and oranges, Carl.

Mueller resulted in many indictments, guopleays and convictions. While the main point for the investigation did not yield any fire for all the smoke, many claims have been farmed out to other, potentially unpardonable, courts. Or, so I understand.

Yes, Benghazi was a tragic and probably preventable event where four men died. There were ten investigations into it, including six by GOP controled congressional committees that failed to find any admin officials acted inappropriately. Prior to the attack, Congress, still GOP led, refused to properly fund infrastructure upgrades to our outposts overseas. But we still hear talk of “lock her up” which I assume was the impetus of Nat’s comment.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:58 pm
by Carl Spackler
We can agree there were arrests and convictions and there was pressure to "sing" (invented sins that would get the subject immunity type allegations) as noted by a new book release by the guy implicated in the alleged collusion, can't recall his name at this time, saw an interview. He refused to sing and told them the desired situation he was coerced to confess about did not occur so I can only envision the remainder of this fishing trip that never caught a nibble on the fish desired, collusion w/ Russia. Typical D.C. investigation, starts for one thing and the unlimited license ends up dragging in those who did not partake and a new fishing trip begins on their lives, thus many of the convictions for crimes like perjury which is not repeating your story exactly in detail for the 1000th time over a 24 month period or not perfectly remembering what you did on August 24th, 1992. The investigation of Russian election collusion was a complete and utter failure.

We can agree that Washington, in general, that failed the men in Benghazi but when you call for help while under fire the specific folks who deny that help are guilty of their deaths. That seems to be evaded constantly by those who investigated or their incompetent helpers, no matter political party. As a member of our military you probably know of situations, while not ending in death, similar to this, sadly.

Re: Politics

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:42 pm
by PittGradPSUMad
You didn't hear very many conservatives complain when the Ken Starr investigation eventually resulted in Bill Clinton getting his nuts caught in Monica Lewinsky's ringer, did you?

Re: Politics

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:52 am
by Carl Spackler
If Monica died someone may have, the point.

Of course, with the Clintons people do have a habit of passing on if they know too much but those dozen or so coincidences must be a remarkable....... coincidence........ Wrong mountain to stake your claim upon. ;)

Re: Politics

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:57 pm
by PittGradPSUMad
Perhaps, but not so absurd as the wild-assed, conspiracy theories about the murderous Clinton gang. Still waiting for Sean Hannity to roll out the rest of that mountain of evidence he possesses about HC's hit job on Seth Rich. What is deeply troubling to me is the knowledge that people actually believe this nonsense. And you've missed my point which is this: Republicans are willing to dismiss tangential crimes uncovered in the Mueller investigation but were orgasmic when Ken Starr uncovered the Lewinski scandal, exposing Bill Clinton as a liar among other things. On the other hand, trump is a proven pathological liar and they don't care. They. Don't. Care. And that's just repulsively hypocritical. Which is another way to say it's politics as usual.