2018 NFL Season

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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Crowbar » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:37 am

I agree the protests had nothing to do with the military. Even if they did I wouldn't care. And it doesn't really matter to me what people think of the protests. I am just trying to look at it from the NFL's perspective.

My thing is he made controversial political statements and gestures that brought significant heat upon his employer- an employer that paid him very well. And he was essentially fired for it. Sorry but free speech does not apply at work. Just ask Roseanne. And since Kaepernick is not in jail and was not attested for his actions, his first amendment rights were not violated. If your employer is doing something that is legal that you don't agree with you can quit.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:40 am

And since Kaepernick is not in jail and was not attested for his actions, his first amendment rights were not violated.

That's not the threshold, though. The President of the United States made it a point to attack the league for not firing him. That arguably - and I think definetely - influenced their decisions. That is a clear violation of the First Amendment.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby psu_dad » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:27 pm

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What law was passed?
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:29 pm

The First Amendment has been interpreted by the USSC that government actions that have a chilling impact on speech. There are numerous examples and and case law on this. But, basically, when someone acting in their capacity as a government official takes actions with the intention of impacting any of the protections of the 1st Amendment, it's a violation of the 1st Amendment.

The President of the United States pressuring the NFL to fire someone becuase of his qualifies.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby psu_dad » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:35 pm

The First Amendment has been interpreted by the USSC ...

The didn't interpret.it, There's nothing confusing about "make no law". They just made shit up.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:00 pm

OK. You can have that view. Doesn't change reality, though.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby psu_dad » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:10 pm

Well they wear those cool black robes. Probably imbues them with the ability to see things that aren't there. Sorta like the Oracle of Delphi ... but with a cooler costume.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Crowbar » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:30 pm

Blue&White wrote:And since Kaepernick is not in jail and was not attested for his actions, his first amendment rights were not violated.

That's not the threshold, though. The President of the United States made it a point to attack the league for not firing him. That arguably - and I think definetely - influenced their decisions. That is a clear violation of the First Amendment.


Maybe, maybe not.

Even before Trump reignited that whole thing Kaepernick appeared to be on his way out. Who wanted to deal with that?

My employer recently made a large contribution to an entity I don't particularly care for. If I "protested" this by going on TV, stomping my feet and making divisive statements that brought embarrassment to my employer I assure you I'd be out of a job lickity split.

I get where you're coming from. I just think his employer has the right to terminate him for this. Hell, this is the same Roger Goodell who threatened to drop a house on OBJ for wanting to wear Craig Sager tribute cleats.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Blue&White » Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:41 pm

I just think his employer has the right to terminate him for this.

Terminate? Sure. Get together with all the other employers in your industry and say "hey, let's not hire this guy?". That you can't do. And, while there is no proof yet that happened (although there is a law suit on that very question), it sure feels like it happened.
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Re: 2018 NFL Season

Postby Crowbar » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:42 am

My understanding is 1. He voluntarily left the 49ers, and 2. He had chances to sign with other teams but screwed himself. Most notably he was about to sign with the Ravens but right before him signing his girlfriend made some disparaging comments about the team or something like that.
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