Random Thoughts

tempe
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby tempe » Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:50 pm

This is really interesting. I first heard about this from a student veteran who works with veterans.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... at-n580276
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013 ... ombat.html
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-20/ ... t-deployed

Grower - Are you talking the old PBS show or the new Burns doc? I have the companion book for the old series - but I bet the new Burns one is incredible. The Burns' Civil War is a must watch - netflix.

LioninVa
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby LioninVa » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:50 pm

B-Dub, thanks for the link. This article deals with active duty, or that's how it reads to me. I know that they keep good track of this information as it is obviously a big problem. Once a person leaves service, the activities are more difficult to track but estimates are 22 Vets commit suicide every day. How this compares or combines with the stat that many ideation/attempts among active duty are prior to first deployment could prove to be beneficial for many others.

When I joined, we were in the build up to Desert Storm/Shield. There wasn't any PTSD in the ranks except for Vietnam veterans, I think. Still, the experience of boot camp instilled a very similar mindset amongst most. There was hazing, belittling of people who were different and that sort of thing. Times have changed, but there is still a ways to go. Developing a warfighter is often counter to political or societal correctness.

PittGradPSUMad
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:44 pm

tempe wrote:This is really interesting. I first heard about this from a student veteran who works with veterans.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... at-n580276
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013 ... ombat.html
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-20/ ... t-deployed

Grower - Are you talking the old PBS show or the new Burns doc? I have the companion book for the old series - but I bet the new Burns one is incredible. The Burns' Civil War is a must watch - netflix.


It is all that and more....gut-wrenching, mesmerizing and infuriating, particularly regarding the political nature of this conflict. Our leaders lied, then lied some more, then lied even more when they were uncertain they'd lied enough. This documentary conjures many heated dinner-table discussions my brothers and I had with our father, a WWII vet who believed in America, right or wrong. But no such memory can exist in the same universe as those belonging to the families of soldiers lost in the conflict...their suffering is unimaginable to those of us who watched this conflagration of American hubris from the comfort of our living rooms.
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LioninVa
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby LioninVa » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:04 pm

Well stated, Mad. My high school band went to D.C. In the mid 80's and one of the parents was a Vietnam vet. His wife was a chaperone and asked what he wanted. His reply was simply, "go to The Wall for me."

That said, I took my family there a few years back for a D.C. United game not realizing it was Memorial Day when I scheduled it. The Vietnam Memorial that weekend is beyond words.

tempe
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby tempe » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:30 pm

I was in DC a few years ago. I found the Vietnam Memorial and the Lincoln Memorial viscerally moving. Everything else seemed standard. I was surprised by both. Otherwise DC was a crowded, hot nightmare of stone.

PSUgrower
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby PSUgrower » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:57 pm

tempe wrote:This is really interesting. I first heard about this from a student veteran who works with veterans.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... at-n580276
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013 ... ombat.html
https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-20/ ... t-deployed

Grower - Are you talking the old PBS show or the new Burns doc? I have the companion book for the old series - but I bet the new Burns one is incredible. The Burns' Civil War is a must watch - netflix.

It is a new one. It is 10 episodes and around 18 hours long. I didn't see all of it because I didn't turn it on until later in the evening. It goes back to 1858 and then works forward.

BTW, I saw a documentary on PBS back in 2003 or 2004 and it followed a bunch guys during the Iraq War. I know about PTSD in soldiers but watching those hours of film took this to a new level. These guys/gals are in fight or flight mode 24 hours a day. I cannot imagine that toll that takes on your body. That type of beating will take years to get over.

My wife had PTSD due to something terrible that happened to her (she put a man away for 20-40 years). Every single night at 9:30ish, which is when the attack took place, she would start to shake uncontrollably and have massive panic attacks. She went to counseling for years but the only thing that worked was that time heals. It took her about 7 years to fully recover. It has been 19 years and she still will wake up with nightmares a few times a year. PTSD is not joke and can debilitate you! Due to what happened to her she works as a victim advocate for the state. I think that made things a little easier at times because she was helping others in needs and could take her mind off of what happened to her. Anyway, PTSD it is/was a part of our lives and we don't dance around it- it is who we are as a couple. This country is shitty when it comes to mental health issues!

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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Blue&White » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:21 am

My company is having a layoff today. I was told several weeks ago that I had to let someone from my team go. For anyone who has ever had to fire someone, unless you are a sadist, it's about the worst thing you can do as a manager. I mean it's just awful.

However, lucky me, I had a guy who had 40+ years of service, wants to retire, and was sticking it out a little bit longer in the hopes that he can walk away with a package. I just got to tell him that sometimes dreams do come true, and he's getting 18 months of severance. He's a really good guy, too, so I'm really happy for him and glad I was able to send him off with a big pay day. If he survived this round of cuts, he was going to leave on his own anyway. So, this worked out really well for everyone involved.

Firing people really sucks so I'm glad I got an easy one and a guy who was thanking me at the end. That made my day go a whole lot better than it may have. A number of my peers are not getting off so lucky today.

psu_dad
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby psu_dad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:36 am

I've heard stories from the old-timers at my current company that a few years before I arrived, they had to reduce their staffing level. They decided to ask for "volunteers" first by offering a severance package. The problem was that the package was so generous that they had an excess of people take them up on it. They actually had to hire several of these people back as independent "consultants" to make up the shortage.

Getting let go generally really really sucks, but if I were offered an 18-month severance today, I would give the head of HR a big sloppy kiss. Tongue. No tongue. Her call.

PittGradPSUMad
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby PittGradPSUMad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:23 am

I was told to reduce staff by one, so I chose the newest hire....a young woman fresh out of school...it was her first job. When I called her into the office, she began to cry before I could break the news. It was not one of my finer career highlights. Could've been worse, though. My neighbor was an exec at Tyco when they were taken over by another company. Neighbor was told he could keep his job, then was assigned the task of firing his former co-workers. He refused and found another, better job within two weeks. Effing pricks.
Yeah, well, that's like your opinion, man.

Blue&White
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Re: Random Thoughts

Postby Blue&White » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:37 am

His coworkers were fired anyway. They got someone else to do it. Walking away from a job on principle is great if you can afford to do it, but it doesn't change reality.

The reality is that If you take a management position in most any American company at some point you'll have to fire people. Usually people who don't deserve to be fired.