psu_dad wrote:I think you're confusing mass shootings with mass killings. The FBI defines a "mass killing" as 4 or more victims. The majority of mass killings are family-related. Only 1 in 6 such deaths are due to "public place massacres", like the recent incident. About 3/4 of mass killings involve a gun and about 3/4 of gun-related mass killings involve pistols.
The 945 number seems very high from what I read, unless you're talking about victims (and not shooting incidents).
As are gun deaths in the total which includes suicides and that facet makes up over 50% alone. Deaths where rifles, the current whipping boy in general, were used was less then 200 out of as memory serves over 20,000 deaths. Again, the majority of deaths were self inflicted, intentional suicide deaths.
I continue to hear assault rifles bandied about being severely restricted to solve the problem. I purchased an AR (Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle) -15 several months ago. Several reasons, 1. as an investment since it was a Colt, the name and the company with the govt. contract to produce for military use (before someone jumps the shark on that fact the govt. chose various manufacturers to produce previous armament e.g. the Springfield rifle, the M-40, etc. all wooden stocked "regular appearing rifles" that seem not to draw the ire of the opponents). 2. As a marksman tool and tool to dispatch skunks at night around our home since I can attach extra Picatinny Rails to allow attaching a tactical flashlight and laser for night vision and aiming. 3. To use as a marksman tool with the trajectory and ranging scope I've placed on it, pretty cool scope making accurate shots as far as 500 meters attainable with this firearm. 4. The 223 caliber has so light a recoil my wife can shoot it as well as me. No real "kick" to be concerned about and with some cushioning on the butt plate plus some internal dampening it will kick like a baby making marksmanship easier to attain. 5. For home protection with an extended magazine if the bad guys trying to invade our home, steal our goods and harm my wife or myself up to and including murder with the response time of local police at roughly 25 mins. Depending on police here is a joke in a now or never situation. They arrive in time to call the ambulance or coroner or both. If something ever happened to my wife under my watch and I had the power to stop it given the right equipment yet chose not to acquire this equipment I would never be able to forgive myself.
I grew up on a farm with mountain land due west where I hunted and wandered as a young lad. We all hunted to put meat on the table of various sorts. I grew up using firearms as tools just as we used hammers and saws to build things or repair things. I also learned to set and shoot dynamite to blow tree stumps out of the ground opening up former woodland and orchards to crop production.
This firearm is the first semi automatic I've ever owned and today, 2 full months from the day I brought it home with my wife who bought it, it hasn't been fired, only accessorized. I find accessorizing the unit fascinating. I realize there is no manner in which I can turn it into a fully automatic fire unit as it is a post ban of 1986 model and the upper and lower assemblies are not properly milled to allow the correct parts for automatic machine gun fire to be placed in a workable manner. While I'd greatly enjoy having an automatic firearm I do not have the financial ability to do so considering the numerous permits, etc. necessary to obtain one. Secondly the amount of ammo used up in a short time on the range is cost prohibitive too. Also, spraying auto fire isn't very accurate and I'd rather pull the trigger each time to fire a round giving me much more control and accuracy. A neighbor has a range set up out to 400 yards in length which I hope to put to use sighting in the firearm some day. The scope has the ability to store several distances and ballistic info for quick changes during hunting season, marksmanship practicing or just a few enjoyable late fall days where the crisp air takes me back to the days when I hunted every autumn.
I recognize I represent a small minority on this board and that is partly why I posted. It's not my goal to brag but to discuss and explain things from flyover country and the more rural areas that represent a great majority of the landmass that is the USA. We purchased a gun safe last year for my birthday to keep them in one place and under lock and key so no one else can access them. With a new grandson we expect a visit some day and won't in any manner create an attractive nuisance as they say in which a tragedy could occur. The skunk that got away tonight benefited from the time lapse of having to access the safe to grasp the firearm. Wish that were not so yet we will have to practice to shave seconds from the time to access the necessary firearm. Skunks are not sprinters and we will learn as the white grub population is significant this fall, a delicacy to a skunk. Before skunks destroy sections of our beautiful lawn we will control them. First the Yellow Jackets nesting in our garage, eves, etc. and then the skunks. Green Acres is the Place to Be! Farm living is the life for me. Land spreading out so far and wide. Keep your cities just give us our countryside.
Restricting my use of these tools because a loon or nutcase or drunk abused them needs to focus just as much on the method of their madness as the tools used to carry out their madness. I do not say this frivolously, be it alcohol, legal or illegal drug use, mental illness or other vagaries that appear to cause these outbursts of insanity are the triggers to the crime. Stealing firearms or illegally obtaining them are problems that won't go away nor will be thwarted with more laws. Astounding as it sounds I read somewhere that there are over 10,000 gun laws in the USA. They did not stop a person who wanted to murder school children and teachers. What better place to do so, seemingly all schools are now "gun free zones" meaning no law abiding person may carry, have on their person or bring within their mode of transportation any weapon making it easy pickings or not unlike shooting fish in a barrel. I see the police approach the school but then surround it before attempting to enter the area where the danger lies. I grasp the concern of running into the building to find yourself face to face with a murderer potentially unprepared to defend yourself due to your rush to save the occupants. Yet in a five minute event the police are still en-route when the murders have ended often with the end of the criminal. Protection must me onsite or it is effectively useless in the vast majority of cases. At Columbine the police surrounded the school for at least an hour before entering only to find the murdered and the murders all dead long before their entrance making the police of no effect, sadly.
No sane person wants to see any of these incidents although they also took place before the 24/7 cable news marathons and they were not as publicized constantly by the talking heads of which many don't know one end of a firearm from the other. We are inundated with the alleged news that often changes several times before settling down to some basic facts. Aren't 10,000 laws directed at firearms, some due to their physical appearance, not the manner in which they operate which is the key factor in any firearm, enough to stop all crime? NO, criminals will always break the law. The laws, like locks, are for the honest among us, not the dishonest. I do believe the notoriety garnered by past mass murderers is a point of focus for present and future criminals. Like J.C.'s post link, they seek attention and friendship but receive neither making some of the fringe of these young people lose it while others, Columbine for example, hated other students and teachers and sought to harm them in the most vicious manner or execution I can imagine and again, religion or lack thereof had a place in their violence against several of the murdered students identifying as Christians. You can make gun laws, and some of the background checks would be a good place to focus yet even in that manner a nut case will purchase and lie about their mental state. I've filled out the forms and did so honestly but I can see when it asks you if you this or that, a criminal will just lie and if record keeping is not up to speed they may get away with it. No law will stop someone who has designs on gaining fame through a heinous act, never has, never will. There is a far better chance of a teacher influencing them in a class in elementary school of turning their attitudes through some encouragement and kind words than all the gun laws in the world.
Time for bed guys. See you later today.