College Sports Scandals

psuro
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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby psuro » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:45 am

The requirements to sit out when transferring go way back to the early days of college sports when really good athletes would "barnstorm' and play for one school one year, and another school another year - usually because some rich alumni lined the player's pockets (sound familiar?) and got him to leave his first school and play for the rich alum's alma mater the next. So, the genesis of the transfer rules goes back pretty far.

The NCAA has made notable exceptions on transferring with immediate eligibility, specifically if a program gets the death penalty (SMU) or if the University ends the football program (UAB, Wichita State). Or severe sanctions are imposed (Penn State). Beyond that, it's case by case.

Field's attorney is the same guy that was Shea Patterson's attorney. He argued, on behalf of the Patterson family, that sitting out would be unjust for Patterson because Ole Miss did not notify him that they may receive sanctions and that their would be no bowl game opportunities, and opportunities for Patterson to showcase his talents. Frankly, it's a reasonable hypothesis. And considering the opportunity for immediate eligibility was granted to players who transferred from Penn State after the sanctions hit- there is precedent set.

For Fields, when the story leaked he was thinking of transferring, an article showed up online that his family had hired the same attorney and that the racial comments made during the game would be basis for getting immediate eligibility. Whether they knew something in advance, or whether Fields' attorney happened to think along the same lines - no idea.

The NCAA was in a no win situation here. If they held up the immediate eligibility, then they would have been roasted by the general public for not being cognizant of racial issues. Had they not held up immediate eligibility, then...well, they get roasted by college sports fans, which are a small subset of the larger population. Frankly, I don't think they had a choice.

Had everything else been the same and Fields wanted to transfer to Indiana, Vanderbilt, Temple, Oregon State - I don't think anything would have changed. I have read elsewhere that some people think the NCAA is only allowing this because of OSU. It's not really. His transfer to OSU irks the Penn State crowd, for a couple of reasons, but realistically if everything had been the same, the NCAA would have let him have immediate eligibility pretty much anywhere he wanted to go. OSU works out for Fields as the guy that was a starter for one year will probably be a first round pick. OSU's offense seems to fit Fields (from what I have seen of his skill). And quite frankly, OSU has a successful program and has put a lot of players in the NFL. I would imagine someone of Field' talent is eyeing the NFL for his long term future.

I am not really bothered by the transfer and immediate eligibility of Fields.

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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Blue&White » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:06 am

I don't think this is because he went to OSU, per se. I think it's because he's a big name kid who went to a big time school. If he wanted to go to another big time school, I think it's the same result. If he wanted to go to, say, Akron, I'm not so sure. I don't think it gets the press coverage and I don't think the NCAA feels pressured.

As for your point about it being a no-win situation for them - perhaps, but who's fault is that? I think a large part of the issue is the NCAA has little credibility. And, they brought this on themselves. But, their willingness to bow to media pressure (which had not yet been applied) and but hold the line on similar situations creates an environment of distress and inherent unfairness. They are not consistent and they selectively enforce the rules. This is one example. And, perhaps if this was a singular exception it would be easier to just let it slide. But, it's not.
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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby PSUgrower » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:39 pm

I don't care where the kid wanted to go, but I believe that him going to OSU helped him not sit out a year. My big point is that this decision sets a precedence for the NCAA. The NCAA now has a transfer portal for kids to transfer to other schools. There needs to be consistency and the NCAA continues to show there is ZERO consistency. I hope he gets hit so hard that his legs face one way and his head faces another :D

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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Blue&White » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:31 am

Michigan State accused of telling a student not to press charges for a gang rape by basketball players.

So, forget the NCAA for a second. When does the Big 10 step in and start levying fines and penalties? I mean, What The Actual F*ck? They couldn't pile on Penn State quickly enough but with MSU they are like "well, it's being handled in the courts". This is a complete lack of institutional control. And ... crickets.
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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Blue&White » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:26 pm

So, the trial on the college hoops payoff scandal is underway and Penn State has officially been dragged into it. A cooperating witness for the government testified that Larry Johnson asked him to pay Aaron Maybin's father $10,000 in the hopes it would keep Maybin from leaving Penn State for the draft. Said witness claims he paid the money, Maybin went to the draft anyway, and the cash was returned.

LJ Sr. denies every single bit of this account. I have no idea but I think it makes little sense. Is $10,000 paid to your father really going to stop you from going in the NFL draft? The league minimum in 2009 had to be at least $300,000 (I tried to find it and only could find back as far as 2011 when it was $375,000). While Maybin was not a sure fire lock to be a 1st round pick, I guess, he was a sure fire lock to earn more than $10,000. So, what's the point of that payment? The whole story just makes zero sense to me. Maybe it's true, I don't know, but someone would have to be a moron to believe that $10,000 would talk you out of going early to the NFL even if you are not picked to be a top 2 round pick. It's absurd.

Anyway, this guy, whoever the hell he is, is claiming he was paying college players from 2000 to 2013. And, lucky duck, PSU is on the list of schools he claims he paid players.

I'd like to believe there is no way this is true but, in reality, I see no reason why Penn State would be immune to anything like this. I think the LJ story is so moronic it almost can't be true but, that aside, if payoffs were being made, sure, I can see that PSU would be involved in that. I sure hope he paid off the 2000-2001 and 2003-2004 teams. That would at least explain those years.
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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Shane » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:41 am

Someone on another board talked about maybe the $10,000 paid for an insurance policy that they Maybins may not have been able to afford. Again, no idea if it's true or that amount of money makes sense for an insurance policy, just passing it along.

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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby ShoreLion » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:47 am

It is literally the main story on Yahoo right now. With a picture of Joe. Of course he is never even mentioned but that's what sells right? Gotta love the media.

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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Blue&White » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:43 pm

Someone on another board talked about maybe the $10,000 paid for an insurance policy that they Maybins may not have been able to afford

That doesn't really make sense either, though. Maybin was projected to go in the first 2 rounds. No insurance policy was going to make up for that.

Who knows what's true. It is possible that an offer was made without them asking Maybin or his dad in advance, and they decided it wasn't worth it. It's possible that happened, I have no idea. What I don't like is that someone can just say this story without any corroboration or, near as I can tell, any evidence. Was the $10,000 paid in cash? There has to be some evidence of this transaction, doesn't there?

I saw that Larry Johnson spoke out about this and said it never happened and was pretty livid. I can understand that. The story doesn't make sense. But, what also doesn't make sense is why would this guy make up a story about a relatively unknown college football coach like Larry Johnson? Sure, we all know who he is, but how many people who are not PSU or OSU fans have a clue who he is? Maybe people know the name because of his dirtbag son from his NFL days, but I can't believe anyone was focusing on him. So, why pick on him? That doesn't make any real sense either. And, honestly, that is what concerns me the most about this whole thing. It's such a random accusation and so out of the blue that it almost seems plausible. Almost.

I really don't know what to think. I think the idea that someone would offer $10,000 to get a player expected to make millions to avoid teh draft is beyond ludicrous. But, I also think it's really odd this guy picks on some random coach that no one ever heard of. How does he even know who LJ Sr. is? Who knows.

Shore - I just checked Yahoo and I didn't see the story at all. They are back to Trump and Fox News.
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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby ShoreLion » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Yeah, Yahoo rotates the stories pretty frequently. But the fact that there was a picture of Joe just to generate clicks just kills me. Whatever.

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Re: College Sports Scandals

Postby Blue&White » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:49 pm

Agree. There is zero reason to stick Joe's face on this. No one is claiming he knew anything about any of this.
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