2017 Team Thread

Jerry Garcia
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Jerry Garcia » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:14 pm


Nat@PSU
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Nat@PSU » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:33 am

Ok, so I was looking at the AP rankings, and I know they don't mean all that much, but honestly, I have a bit of a beef with where Penn State is.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings

We are ranked behind the following two loss teams:

6. Auburn (14-7 loss to Clemson, 27-24 loss to LSU)
8. Ohio State (38-16 loss to Oklahoma, 55-24 loss to Iowa)
9. Notre Dame (20-19 loss to Georgia, 41-8 loss to Miami)
10. Oklahoma State (44-31 loss to TCU, 62-52 loss to Oklahoma)
11. TCU (14-7 loss to Iowa State, 38-20 loss to Oklahoma)
12. USC (30-27 loss to Wazzu, 49-14 loss to Notre Dame)
13. Penn State (39-38 loss at OSU, 27-24 loss at MSU)

Why are Penn State's two losses, for a combined 4 points, on the road at both OSU and MSU, the worst two losses of that group? Everyone in there has at least a 7 point loss, with some of them holding a blowout. Want to rank us behind OSU? Ok, but we lost by 1 at their place and haven't been blown out. I don't get why our losses aren't considered "better" than most of the ones listed above. Of those, Auburn and OSU's spots make the most sense. The rest is absurd to me.
- Nat

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psu_dad
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby psu_dad » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:53 am

Trying to figure out rankings is futile. The AP rankings come from a poll of sportswriters. These guys aren't exactly rocket scientists. And I seriously doubt that they spend a lot of time analyzing everyone's schedules/results. Fortunately, this usually sorts itself out (more or less) by season's end. There will probably be less 2-loss teams by then. If Penn State is one of them, they'll climb.

sameoldlama
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:01 am

I suspect the problem for PSU is that the losses came back to back. If PSU wins the MSU game they would actually be well positioned for potential backdoor playoff birth entry.

UM will have to play Clemson in ACC championship

Bama / Auburn play and depending on result one of UGA / Bama / Auburn take a loss is SEC championship game

UW will likely play OSU in B1? game so UW may get tagged with a loss.

If they beat OSU but lose to OSU and beat UW in B1? championship game they would have been a lock.

That close. If they can win their bowl game they should finish Top 10 and I can't remember last time PSU was Top 10 two years in a row.

Shore Lion
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Shore Lion » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:53 am

sameoldlama wrote:That close. If they can win their bowl game they should finish Top 10 and I can't remember last time PSU was Top 10 two years in a row.


2008 and 2009 seasons. Not really that long ago. Don't get me wrong, the program definitely needed some upgrades in spots but it's not like it was exactly wandering in the wilderness either. They were 8-1 (albeit an ugly 8-1) when Joe was canned with the one loss coming to Alabama who won the MNC that year. If PSU finishes in the Top 10 this year that will be 5 times in the last 13 seasons they ended up ranked in the Top 10. And really 2012-2015 were a different animal because they weren't really able to compete at the same level as others teams. So if you take those out of the equation it's 5 Top 10's in 9 seasons. Again, not saying the program didn't have issues but PSU was never Indiana either.

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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby pennstate92 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:56 pm

Shore Lion wrote:
sameoldlama wrote:That close. If they can win their bowl game they should finish Top 10 and I can't remember last time PSU was Top 10 two years in a row.


2008 and 2009 seasons. Not really that long ago. Don't get me wrong, the program definitely needed some upgrades in spots but it's not like it was exactly wandering in the wilderness either. They were 8-1 (albeit an ugly 8-1) when Joe was canned with the one loss coming to Alabama who won the MNC that year. If PSU finishes in the Top 10 this year that will be 5 times in the last 13 seasons they ended up ranked in the Top 10. And really 2012-2015 were a different animal because they weren't really able to compete at the same level as others teams. So if you take those out of the equation it's 5 Top 10's in 9 seasons. Again, not saying the program didn't have issues but PSU was never Indiana either.



This is a pretty interesting synopsis. Thanks for the info - pretty thought provoking, if you get right down to it, and sort of debunks the idea that we were a program in decline, even if the cobwebs in the corner weren't getting cleaned on a regular basis (sorry for the mixed metaphor ;) )...
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Carl Spackler » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:59 pm

psudelco wrote:I read the same thing wrt a lineman tipping plays, I'd be interested as to who it is. You would think a tackle but I think it may be Gonz as he seems to be having problems all yr long and Bates was playing well before he got hurt. I believe it was Jonathan Vilma who said this, havent seen anything else about it though.


This hearkens back to the guy who didn't play college football being picked up the the Eagles in the Vermeil era. A fellow player tipped him off to the hand placement of the opponent and what type play it indicated. I'd love to have someone to discover if our lineman are tipping, how they are doing it and why the amazing Mr. Limegrover sp? hasn't fixed it or if he even knows it is happening, if it is happening.

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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Shane » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:27 pm

The only thing I don't understand about tipping plays, is that it seems like we have WR's pretty open when we pass. If we were tipping our hand, wouldn't they be better covered? Or is as simple as, running plays are much easier to defend and when you tip your hand, the losses seem to pile up?

sameoldlama
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby sameoldlama » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:32 pm

That surprised me Shore - so I did some more digging (way back in the old days a big recruiting tool of PSU was to say that every player who used their full eligibility under Paterno either played for a MNC or on an undefeated team - and that got broke late 80s) - but here are 20 years back

95 - 13th, 96 - 7th, 97 - 16th, 98 - 17th, 99 - 11th
00 - UR, 01 UR, 02 - 16th, 03 - UR, 04 - UR
05 - 3rd, 06 - 24th, 07 - UR, 08 - 8th, 09 - 9th
10 - UR, 11 - UR, 12- UR, 13 - UR, 14 UR

So in a 20 year span
Top 10 - 4 times
10 -25 - 6 times
Unranked - 10 times (3 you could assign to sanctions) - still in that span PSU was as likely to be unranked as Top 25.

I'm sure if I look at the 75 - 95 you'll see a significant difference

Jerry Garcia
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Re: 2017 Team Thread

Postby Jerry Garcia » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:33 pm

We ought to go with those giant sideline cardboard things with a random picture in each of the four quadrants. Except ours, when it's 1st down at our own 10 yd line would have four identical giant

-7

in each quadrant. We'll show 'em what tipping is about.