Politics

sameoldlama
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Re: Politics

Postby sameoldlama » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:02 pm

DT's issue with the Daniels thing may be he paid her for the sex and that's what he didn't want being revealed.

On the Haiti comments it perfectly illustrates the problem with Trump - he has been more willing in my opinion to take on more unpopular but necessary issues and try and get action on them (rather than the standard bluster and do nothing career politicians) but it's one step forward and three steps back as he sticks his foot in his mouth with Tom Brady like precision.
But let's be honest - if anyone had tied Haiti to a punchline in the "You know you're in a bad bowl when ...." or made a joke that Barkley refused to sign with Cleveland to enter the new Haitian Football League everyone would get the joke, most would laugh and at best a few would be outraged. Haiti is a Emmerthole, DT or nobody on this board made it an Emmerthole, gobs of aid has been funneled into Haiti and it's still an Emmerthole. At some point the people of Haiti need a leader from within their country who can say - "yeah we need some help but if we don't want to keep living in an Emmerthole we need to be the ones to change it"

America's immigration policy and enforcement are a mess. From a policy perspective DT is on point that lottery and chain migration programs should be scrapped. Anchor babies being used to backdoor parents into US should be ended. These programs are abused to the detriment of our citizenry. We need a policy that defines:
1. the number of people we want to allow to immigrate into the country
2. the criteria for entry (you can have mix of compassionate entry for people escaping war, civil strife, poverty, religious or political persecution) along with merit based entry. America is the most desirable destination in the world - we should seek people who will enhance that - and just being from a different country doesn't quite meet that standard.
3. have a thorough vetting process to ensure the security of our citizenry
4. enforce the law - and that means penalties for individuals and states that don't comply (I'm looking at you California)

We are a nation of laws. If you do not enforce your law you don't have a law. If you enforce your law based on liberal progressive identity politics (where you can get a pass based on race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation) then you will divide your country along those identity lines. When you combine identity politics with egalitarian economic policy you get authoritarianism and Venezuela.

Like dad my company has multiple employees who have emigrated to the US - and the overwhelming majority are non-white (we have a few Frenchies but only because our HQ is based in France and their employ is secured by company). They all emigrated legally and secured their jobs through the same process all of us did - they applied and proved to be best candidate in the interview process. I can say I have not witnessed any animosity towards these employees based on their race or ethnic background. They are welcomed under the same principles of meritocracy everyone else is - if you are competent and a team player and doing your job nobody gives an Emmert what color you are or what part of the world you came from - maybe it's because I work in a competitive industry (consumer goods packaging) but people don't have the luxury of being bigots - if you believed our accountants the world can potentially come to an end at the end of every month.

The desire of progressive liberals to displace a merit based society with an identity based society is taking this country down a bad road.

Carl Spackler
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Re: Politics

Postby Carl Spackler » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:05 am

Lion was correct, there is no broad brush to paint an entire nation or people, period. Good and bad populate all, yet dunghole places are horrid, not because of the people generally, they do what they are taught but the poverty of wallet and mind lead to these hell hole nations. My food poisoning comments were to the unwashed hands of the unwashed in general, not to any individual since there was no way I could ascertain that but did suffer for months due to the strain of this bacteria, virulent and fecal.

I thank God I wasn't born into the poverty and filth of a third world nation. I was born into poverty but did not know it until later in life. I knew poor people, they got "relief" from the govt. along with free cheese, etc. They live pretty high compared to the third world inhabitants who watch their numerous children die from starvation and disease in their arms without adequate medical treatment. We have it amazing great compared to the remainder of the world. Thus why we are the target destination of so many...everything's free...for a small fee...in America....right?

Unfortunately I don't believe we can be the life boat for the world. We are already springing leaks. If a family member of mine were harmed by an illegal proven to be a criminal before illegally coming here I'd be incensed, at best.


Llama makes many good points. Desired emigrants, screened in today's climate, who can do needful things and have a support system here have always been considered for legal status. Those who thumb their noses at our laws and pour across our borders, particularly southern, began on the wrong foot and will always be breaking our laws of immigration. Do they do jobs others won't, sometimes but is it worth it when too many are criminal and return over and over when deported.

Mexico has a fence / wall at their southern border so far as I hear but they call us names and decry us for suggesting the same? Hypocrites or do they have a real, fair, sensible position I haven't heard? Any ideas why it's OK there but not here?

tempe
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Re: Politics

Postby tempe » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:28 pm

https://www.snopes.com/mexico-guatemala-border/

https://www.quora.com/Does-Mexico-have- ... ern-border

Ok - I'll go out on the plank and say there is no wall. But Alternative Facts my claim otherwise.

Nat@PSU
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Re: Politics

Postby Nat@PSU » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:42 am

sameoldlama wrote:On the Haiti comments it perfectly illustrates the problem with Trump - he has been more willing in my opinion to take on more unpopular but necessary issues and try and get action on them (rather than the standard bluster and do nothing career politicians) but it's one step forward and three steps back as he sticks his foot in his mouth with Tom Brady like precision.
But let's be honest - if anyone had tied Haiti to a punchline in the "You know you're in a bad bowl when ...." or made a joke that Barkley refused to sign with Cleveland to enter the new Haitian Football League everyone would get the joke, most would laugh and at best a few would be outraged. Haiti is a Emmerthole, DT or nobody on this board made it an Emmerthole, gobs of aid has been funneled into Haiti and it's still an Emmerthole. At some point the people of Haiti need a leader from within their country who can say - "yeah we need some help but if we don't want to keep living in an Emmerthole we need to be the ones to change it"



I believe this viewpoint oversimplifies the situation and also excludes the historical context that helped to create the state of affairs in Haiti (i.e. generation after generation of exploitation by powerful European countries and the good ole USA in conjunction with a once in a lifetime natural disaster that killed over 100,000 people). This idea that we can't and shouldn't take in people from countries that have awful living conditions is frankly, in my opinion, an affront to the professed values of this country.

Your point about this being a nation of laws is well received and I don't think you will find many people who consider themselves moderate (including both the Democrats and Republicans) who don't say that we need some sort of comprehensive immigration reform. I would argue that the progressive viewpoint is simply one that expresses that need in a more humane way.

I find it hard to believe that most of the people on this board, if living in a country ravaged by poverty, disease, and violence wouldn't seek a better life for themselves and their families. I know that I would do ANYTHING within my power to make sure my family was safe and given every opportunity to be successful.

Additionally, I think that characterizing the democratic viewpoint as being one where they want no borders or laws is both incorrect and unhelpful to the debate. I'm all for a pragmatic and humane approach to immigration reform. Nothing about what Donald Trump is saying or doing fits into either of those two categories.
- Nat

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